Jul 202016
 

The Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA has arrived at Jeff’s Place!

The Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA wire has arrived at Jeff's Place!

The Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA wire has arrived at Jeff’s Place!

If you’ve been following this developing story, you know how excited I am about the Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA wire from Frederik Carøe in Denmark.

The Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA wire from

The Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA wire from Frederik Carøe in Denmark.

“Why?” you ask. I’m glad you asked, so let me give you a brief recap of events up until now to help explain why I am excited about the Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA.

WE16GA as speaker cables.

WE16GA as speaker cables from my vintage McIntosh MC30 monaural amplifiers to the Duelund CAST crossovers of my WRSE loudspeakers.

It all started with Yazaki-san sending me some vintage Western Electric WE16GA wire to try as speaker cables, a little over a year ago. Yazaki-san had told me that when used as speaker cables, the vintage Western Electric WE16GA wire had an “artistic and organic sound quality” that gave music reproduction a very “real sound”.

WE16GA as speaker cables for the WRSE loudspeakers.

WE16GA as internal wiring for my Duelund CAST external crossovers and as speaker cables for the WRSE loudspeakers.

I first tried the Western Electric WE16GA as speaker cables on my Tannoy Westminster Royal SE loudspeakers with their Duelund CAST external crossovers.

Yazaki-san had warned me that the vintage Western Electric WE16GA could sound a little rough until it settles down, and then the musical magic begins to unfold, and sure enough, that was exactly what happened.

WE16GA from the WRSE DC driver to the Duelund XO.

WE16GA from the WRSE DC driver to the Duelund XO.

I was so impressed after I tried the Western Electric WE16GA as speaker cables, that Ron, Leo, and I went in on a spool together that Yazaki-san was so kind as to source for us.

Vintage Western Electric WE16GA wire.

Vintage Western Electric WE16GA wire.

So then I went ahead and rewired the gorgeous Duelund CAST crossovers of my WRSEs with WE16GA, and when that worked out splendidly as well, I rewired my Westminsters internally with WE16GA. It all worked out fantastic, and the rest is audio-musical history!

As word got out from my blog posts about how musical the vintage Western Electric WE16GA was on my Westminster Royal SE loudspeakers, it essentially went viral as more people began to experience its wonders on their own loudspeakers.

Then something unfortunate happened. The vintage Western Electric WE16GA wire essentially went extinct, and there was no more to be bought. As if that wasn’t bad enough, it got worse when purveyors of fake Western Electric WE16GA wire began to pop up.

A7 VOTTs that were custom built for Leopold Stokowski.

A7 VOTTs that were custom built for Leopold Stokowski.

In addition to my Westminster Royal SE loudspeakers, I also used the Western Electric WE16GA as speaker cables for my Altec Lansing A7 Voice of the Theatre loudspeakers that were custom made for Leopold Stokowski, and the WE16GA sounded as magical with the A7’s as it did with my WRSEs.

Then I got started in earnest on my Altec Lansing A5 Voice of the Theatre project. Like a lot of you, I had been lamenting that the superb Western Electric WE16GA wire had become extinct, and that I was down to the last little bit of WE16GA I had left, which I was planning to wire the breadboard crossovers with, and to use for the speaker cables, for my Altec A5 Voice of the Theatre loudspeakers project. Knowing that I was almost out of WE16GA made me feel panicky!

Initial crossover breadboard attached to A5 VOTT with WE16GA.

Initial crossover breadboard attached to A5 VOTT with WE16GA.

So what’s the big deal about Western Electric WE16GA wire anyways? Vintage tone. Western Electric WE16GA wire has those very desirable tonal properties that musicians, musical instrument manufacturers, and a few discerning hi-fi aficionados refer to as vintage tone.

In enthusiast audio there is broad recognition and quite a lot of consensus that there are certain vintage audio components that have very special tonal properties, like vintage Marantz or McIntosh vacuum tube electronics, vintage Altec Voice of the Theatre loudspeakers, vintage Garrard 301 turntables, vintage Sprague Black Beauty or Bumblebee capacitors, and now, vintage Western Electric WE16GA wire, to cite a number of now well known examples.

All of these components possess what is referred to as vintage tone, which is to say, they are examples from our audio & musical history that possess special tonal properties that enhances the beauty, meaning, spirit, artistic intent, emotional connection, etc., of reproduced music.

My slow realization has been that it may only be possible to fully experience the entire acoustic palette of tone that vacuum tube equipment and horn loudspeakers are capable of by using a vintage tone style of wire, like the Western Electric WE16GA, which is a bittersweet revelation given that you can’t buy it any more. Or can you?

Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA wire.

Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA wire.

Thankfully, the recognition of the value of a vintage tone style of wire had not gone unnoticed, and one of the world’s finest high-performance audio companies, Duelund Coherent Audio, whose own philosophy highly values tone, was looking into producing a new version of ‘Western Electric WE16GA’ wire, due to witnessing the excitement generated by the vintage Western Electric WE16GA with audio aficionados.

Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA.

Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA.

In an ongoing dialog, Frederik Carøe (Duelund Coherent Audio) and I discussed much of what you have read about Western Electric WE16GA here at Jeff’s Place, and its desirable vintage tone.  Frederik became intrigued by the Western Electric WE16GA wire through our conversations, and decided he wanted to produce a Duelund Coherent Audio version that was very similar to the Western Electric WE16GA in concept, but that utilized Mr. Steen Duelund’s original axiom of a natural materials philosophy, to get every last bit of that gorgeous vintage tone out of the design that was possible, and thus the Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA wire was born that you see in the photos above.

Dissected WE16GA wire.

Dissected WE16GA wire.

If you remember, I dissected the Western Electric wire and described it to you.

Western Electric WE16GA wire.

Western Electric WE16GA wire.

The Western electric WE16GA wire consists of 26 tinned-copper wire conductors that are encased in a plastic sheath, which is covered in a fabric covering. I also measured the individual tinned-copper conductor’s diameter with a micrometer, and passed that information on to Frederik.

Tin plated copper conductors awaiting to be wound with their cotton casing.

Tin plated copper conductors awaiting to be wound with their cotton casing.

Frederik worked closely with a specialty manufacturer to develop the 26-strand, 0.25mm diameter, tinned-copper conductors that are the heart & soul of the Western Electric WE16GA wire, and the roll of wire you see in the photo above is the result.

WE16GA left, DCA16GA right.

WE16GA left, DCA16GA right.

Frederik, following Mr. Steen Duelund’s axiom that natural materials produce more natural sound, eschewed the WE16GA’s plastic inner sleeve in favor of a black cotton dielectric that is impregnated in oil, whose fully organic nature imbues more natural tone than the use of plastics can allow for.

The DCA16GA is slightly more slender than the WE16GA due to eliminating the inner plastic sleeve.

DCA16GA 6

Like the WE16GA the DCA16GA has 26-strand, 0.25mm diameter, tinned-copper conductors, but wrapped in an oil-baked black cotton dielectric.

Frederik says the oil impregnated cotton dielectric is then baked “so people won’t get a messy cable” and that “its main role is to make the dielectric anti-static, and the cotton more durable.” Like all Duelund products the wire is all hand-assembled with meticulous care and attention to details.

Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA wire.

Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA wire.

One thing I noticed right away was that when you open up the bag, you get the pleasant aroma of fresh baked wire, which by analogy for you coffee lovers, is equivalent to the pleasant aroma of opening up a bag of fresh roasted coffee beans! Superb!

Frederik has told me that the MSRP retail price is $12.99 USD/meter ($3.97/ft), but I understand that Parts Connexion’s standard pricing will be 15% off this or $10.99 USD/meter ($3.37/ft.), so that’s a great deal for what is essentially a custom, hand-assembled, 16 AWG tin-plated stranded copper wire made to Western Electric WE16GA specifications, with an oil impregnated cotton jacket as a bonus.

I know that Frederik worked extremely hard to bring the DCA16GA in at this price level, which is about the same that I paid for the WE16GA back when you could find the real thing. Thank you, Frederik!

Parts Connexion will be pricing the Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA wire at an introductory price of $9.95 USD per meter for the first 30 days after they receive it. The link to order the new Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA just went live at Parts Connexion here, so get it while you can!

Here’s the path forward: Over the next week I’ll make up a pair of speaker cables out of the Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA that I can compare directly to the vintage Western Electric DCA16GA and give them a listen. I suspect, that like the Western Electric WE16GA, they will sound a little rough at first, then come to musical life in that inexplicable tinned-copper conductor fashion.

WE16GA on the Cable Cooker.

WE16GA on the Cable Cooker.

I’ve also found it helped to run-in the Western Electric WE16GA on my Cable Cooker, so I may give that a try with the Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA as well.

Keep checking back on this blog post, as I’ll start updating it as I gather listening impressions on the Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA.

The Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA wire from Frederik.

The Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA wire from Frederik.

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Update 7/21/2016 – First Impressions

Last night, before calling it a night, I cut two pairs of two-meter lengths out of the Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA wire to try as speaker cables. I wrapped some red microphone cable tape around the hot legs at each end so I wouldn’t mix them up while hooking them up.

I then set my new pair of Duelund DCA16GA speaker cables down next to my vintage Altec Lansing A5 Voice of the Theatre loudspeakers, with the intent that I would hook them up over the weekend and give them a listen to gather some very preliminary first impressions, and then called it a night.

Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA wire as speaker cables.

Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA wire as speaker cables.

I got home from the office tonight, saw the DCA16GA speaker cables sitting there next to my A5 VOTTs, and I couldn’t stand it, I just had to put it into the system!

I attached the DCA16GA to my vintage McIntosh MC30 monaural amplifiers on one end, and my breadboard crossovers for the Altec A5 VOTTs on the other end.

My breadboard crossovers are wired with Western Electric WE16GA, and I’m using WE16GA from the crossovers to the drivers, so the only change I made was substituting the Duelund DCA16GA for speaker cables.

I was steeling myself for a first listen, and was telling myself that even the Western Electric WE16GA sounds a little rough until it settles down, and then unfolds to reveal a remarkably musical presentation that brings the music to life, so don’t get your hopes up, Jeff, the DCA16GA is bound to sound a little rough out of the gate.

Honestly, I’ve been a little anxious, after all, Frederik invested a significant amount into making the DCA16GA a reality, and what if it wasn’t as good as the WE16GA? I mean, what if it sucked? I really like Frederik, and I’d hate to be the bearer of bad news.

There’s at least one purveyor of very high quality components that no longer speaks to me because I didn’t swoon over the components sent to me, instead preferring some old vintage fossils. But, I prefer to tell it like it is according to my own tastes & perceptions, and let the cards fall where they will.

My A5 VOTTs with the Duelund DCA16GA as speaker cables.

My A5 VOTTs with the Duelund DCA16GA as speaker cables.

So with that in mind, I poured a bourbon on the rocks, and sat down for a listen. First up was the 45RPM remaster by Analogue Productions of Soular Energy by the Ray Brown Trio, which is a fantastic record and wonderful music.

What did I hear? Well, compared to the Western Electric WE16GA, from the Duelund DCA16GA I heard an overall richer presentation, a bit darker, smoother, more spacious, more timbrally colorful, with images having more presence, and superb portrayal of tempos, melodies, rhythm, and dynamics.

Essentially, I heard everything that I really like about the Western Electric WE16GA, but everything was better. Everything, musically & sonically.

Next I put on a real world recording, an original of Gabor Szabo Live With Charles Lloyd, that my friend Cindy gave me. It’s a pretty good sounding record, but not at the same level of refinement & musicality that the Analogue Productions 45RPM Soular Energy. Gabor Szabo Live sounded great with the Duelund DCA16GA, just like Soular Energy did.

On the Gabor Szabo Live I did hear the faintest traces of roughness that is typical of tinned-copper conductors until they settle in and begin to bloom, but it was to a much lesser degree than I hear from the Western Electric WE16GA while it is settling down.

Pretty much everything about the performance of the Duelund DCA16GA was better than my well run-in Western Electric WE16GA, and that was with the DCA16GA cold, straight out of the baggie.

Like the Western Electric WE16GA, the Duelund DCA16GA has an “artistic and organic sound quality” that gave music reproduction a very “real sound”, as Yazaki-san would say. I like what I’m hearing from the Duelund DCA16GA a lot, and I think it’s better both musically & sonically than my well run-in Western Electric WE16GA.

Okay, so that’s a very preliminary first impression (I’m listening to Paul McCartney’s Unplugged album right now, and it sounds equally wonderful). I’m really impressed, and unless things really go into the ditch during the run-in period, I’d say Frederik has hit a home-run out of the ballpark, and into the next state, with his Duelund DCA16GA wire. It’s really good. (Big sigh of relief on my part)

I’m going to do a lot more listening, and I’ll describe to you what I’m hearing as the Duelund DCA16GA runs-in. I want to evaluate it on my A5 VOTTs as well as my Westminster Royal SE’s, my Stokowski A7 VOTTs, and even my Harbeth Super HL5 system. I know, deep breath.

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Update 7/23/2016 – Duelund DCA16GA on the A5 VOTT high-frequency horns

This morning after I got up I listened to jazz for a while, then I decided it was time to put some more of the Duelund DCA16GA wire on my Altec A5 Voice of the Theatre loudspeakers, and to hear what happens.

Duelund DCA16GA from the Hiraga-inspired crossover to the A5's HF horns.

Duelund DCA16GA from the Hiraga-inspired crossover to the A5’s HF horns.

I removed my Western Electric WE16GA wire that I’m using between my Hiraga-inspired breadboard crossovers and my 288C Alnico high-frequency compression drivers & 1005B 10-cell horns combination, and then cut four lengths of the Duelund DCA16GA wire, marking the hot-legs with some red microphone tape so I didn’t mix them up during hookup, and put them in place.

The DCA16GA on the 16 Ohm Altec 288C Alnico high-frequency compression driver.

The DCA16GA on the 16 Ohm Altec 288C Alnico high-frequency compression driver.

I’m hoping to get in a little more listening a little later this afternoon, so check back for some more listening impressions in a little while.

The DCA16GA on the 16 Ohm Altec 288C Alnico high-frequency compression driver.

The DCA16GA on the 16 Ohm Altec 288C Alnico high-frequency compression driver.

Sorry guys, I got a little distracted with Pete Riggle’s visit to Jeff’s Place over the weekend (as well as by a few other things), and didn’t get a chance to post further impressions on the DCA16GA. Pete and I tried some different port sizes in my A5’s cabinets. Pete is really talented in dialing in the bass frequencies of loudspeakers (which Pete says is also the key to getting the mid’s and high’s dialed in optimally), and Pete was able really get the A5’s singing in the bass.

More to come on the DCA16GA, and soon I hope!

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I would encourage those of you who have Western Electric WE16GA in your system as speaker cables to order enough Duelund DCA16GA so you can A-B them (a two-meter pair of DCA16GA speaker cables will cost you less than the price of a couple of Analogue Productions 45RPM LPs), and report back to me on the results, I think you’ll be impressed, and I want to hear what your impressions are.

I want to say a big “Thank you!” to Frederik for taking on this challenge of developing his Duelund DCA16GA wire, which is an even better vintage tone wire than the esteemed vintage Western Electric WE16GA that I have come to love. Is that cool or what?

So stay tuned, there is much more to come on this developing story. May the tone be with you, and thanks for stopping by!

 Posted by at 4:15 pm

  120 Responses to “The Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA has arrived!”

  1. Oh boy!!!

  2. Hi Jeff , nice into to the wires. I’m looking forward to hearing your findings when you begin to listen. It Could be a very cost effective upgrade for many of us !!! Let’s wait and see. Thanks for the update.

    • Howdy Myron,

      Thanks for the kind words, appreciated. 🙂 The Duelund DCA16GA wire is sounding great as speaker cables, and I’m very impressed, especially given they aren’t even run-in yet.

      I’m really looking forward to trying them on my Westminsters too, I have a hunch they’re going to be a superb match there too.

      Many thanks to Frederik for bringing this wire to us, it’s got that gorgeous vintage tone, and as far as first impressions go, it out does the WE16GA while retaining all its good qualities, but takes everything to the next level both musically & sonically.

      I’m listening to it right now on the A5 VOTTs and there is some serious synergy going on!

      Cheers,

      jeff

  3. Hi Jeff! What exciting times!! I am loving it. Be sure.

    In the next days I will check every day your site. For news about this wonderful Duelund cable.

    I am fully convinced that this Duelund cable will sound even more organic and three-dimensional than the even wonderful sounding WE cable. The WE cable can sound as the Duelund ( I know, I Know, first you must have a proper listening to the cable!). The fact is that the WE uses plastic as an isolator and the Duelund NOT! And be sure, the mineral oil Frederic is using does have a positive effect on the sound. I am still amazed why the mineral oil does this. As often is the case, there are more explanations. One of the explanations is that the mineral oil works as a ‘kind of a healthy elixer’. The natural ingredients in the oil does have (or must have) a positive effect like in a homeopathic way.

    OK! I am looking forward for your first listening impressions!

    With nice greetings,

    Siedy

    • Hi Siedy! 🙂

      You’re exactly right about the Duelund DCA16GA, the conductors are essentially identical to the Western Electric WE16GA, but the baked oil-soaked cotton conductor is a completely new experience for me – it makes a huge difference. It’s way more organic & three-dimensional sounding. The tone of the DCA16GA is just incredible, being both rich and natural, with breath taking timbral realism, and gorgeous tone color.

      I’m really liking it!

      Kind regards,

      Jeff

  4. Just from a design perspective it looks great. It’s stranded and thus flexible. Tinned so easier solder and won’t oxidize in compression fittings. And of a sufficient gauge to be useful in crossover and speaker connections. Gotta be a solid staple amp->speaker wire IMO. And the the fact that it uses good copper with no plastic at a reasonable price is just icing on the cake. Big winner IMO even if it is equivalent to WE or Belden 8487. And I’m sure it is at least as good as either of these staple stalwarts.

    • Edit: Belden 9497

      • Yes Belden 9497 is a very good cable
        I like it more than the WE wire
        I play a while with it but i like single strand full copper in cotton and oil more
        Today i place am order for the Duelund
        And will hear what this gives .

    • Howdy Josh!

      Oh man, this Duelund DCA16GA is really, really, nice. It maintains everything I love about the Western Electric WE16GA, but that baked oil-soaked cotton dielectric takes it to a whole new level of naturalness & beauty in the reproduction of music. It’s rich, colorful, timbrally breathtaking, and the reproduction of tempos, melodies, harmonies, and dynamics is just superb.

      To top it off, the price is very fair! Many thanks to Frederik for the DCA16GA, it is wonderful!

      Kind regards,

      Jeff

      • Glad to have you back stateside Jeff! 😉 I need a vacation myself! About these new Duleund wiring products I just finished wiring up uber Lundahl LL7903 mic input transformers to make my own XLR -> RCA converter for a DAC. The 0.8mm was a little thick and heavy – doing this again I would use the thinner silver version for delicate work like this. Being completed though it looks amazing with the Duelund solid core copper wire.

        https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/58102603/Lundahl%20XLR.jpeg

        The next big project on my end is that I came into a mint pair of Altec 604D. My good buddy picked up the super clean 604E. So we are now in the process of building IMHO damn huge cabinets – I hope not too big. Close to 48″ tall without whatever support we are going to go with. And I will use this new Duelund WE wire for all of the wiring. Perfect timing for a perfect product for this type of application build. Thanks for advocating for it. 😉

        • Howdy Josh!

          Wow, those look nice! Nice work!

          Cool on the Altec 604’s. I like big speakers. As long as you can get them through the door they’re not too big! 😉

          Let me know how it all works out.

          Kind regards,

          Jeff

  5. Howdy Jeff!

    Yesterday I got a message at my iPhone that you ha put news about the Duelund cable. With shaky fingers did I open the mail and tapped through to open your website. I was so excited to read if you had a first impression! And yes you had! And as fast I could I read your message. And…….how nice to read that your first impressions are so nice! What I like about it that the old theory about natural materials does seem to work. Also that it seems that WITHOUT the plastic layer the cable does sound better.

    I do honestly believe that this Duelund cable can open up a new world for many listeners. These cable has the capability to open up new perspectives how to listen to music and enjoy it so much more. With this cable is so easy to achieve a very holographic, organic and very natural soon without nasty things in it. With no limitation in the dynamic and PRAT area. Listening to this type of cables (in this case the Duelund) is so more joyable. Give so much more pleasure!

    I am looking for your further impressions!

    Siedy

    • Howdy Siedy!

      I’m very impressed with the Duelund DCA16GA, and I am so happy to have something that I can recommend to those enthusiasts that enjoy that ‘vintage tone’ style of presentation.

      Given that the conductors are essentially the same between the Western Electric WE16GA and the Duelund DCA16GA, it’s a great lesson for me in how much the different dielectrics contribute to the overall sonic & musical attributes. There is a big difference between the baked oil-soak cotton dielectric of the Duelund DCA16GA and the plastic sheath & fabric wrap of the Western Electric WE16GA.

      As much as I love the Western Electric WE16GA, the Duelund betters it by sounding more natural, and bettering it in every sonic & musical way, while still maintaining the essence of the sound of the Western Electric WE16GA that I have come to love so much.

      The Duelund DCA16GA wire has very little time on it at this point, but it is still making a very good impression with me in spite of the low amount of run-in time.

      Cheers,

      Jeff

  6. I have really loved my WE16 speaker wire. So where can one order this new DCA16GA?

    • Hi Paul,

      I feel the same way about my WE16GA, it’s been great speaker wire.

      I think you’ll find the Duelund DCA16GA to be a favorite as well. Parts Connexion has it for sale here

      Enjoy!

      Jeff

  7. HiFi Collective in the UK should be stocking it within 2 weeks so I shall be getting some to compare with my WE 16 ga cable

  8. Halo,

    Thanks for the review. I am planning to try this cable for internal hock up speaker cable and for speaker crossover. I usually used Neotech AG/GD, OCC Silver/Gold Alloy and Neotech Solid-core UP-OCC COPPER Wire . Can you comment?

    • Hi Dan,

      I used the Neotech solid core OCC copper & solid core silver hookup wire in the crossovers for my Duelund CAST crossover project for my Tannoy Westminster SE loudspeakers, and I thought copper Neotech was pretty good (the silver I thought was only so-so), but I ended up preferring the vintage Western Electric WE16GA. I haven’t tried the silver-gold alloy Neotech. You can search here at Jeff’s Place on WE16GA and find the running commentary on that series of comparisons.

      I have not yet tried the Duelund DCA16GA in my Westminster Royal loudspeakers (I just got the wire), only with my Altec A5 Voice of the Theatre project. I’m still gathering impressions of the Duelund DCA16GA, but so far my impressions are very favorable.

      You didn’t mention your loudspeaker’s identity, but I suggest you just give the Duelund DCA16GA a try and see how well you like it with your particular loudspeakers. If you decide to do that, I’d like to hear your impressions.

      Kind regards,

      Jeff

      • I have 3 JR 150 and 4 JR 149 modified with auricap xo. I am planing to build 7.1 system with occasional listening to smooth jazz. Power amp are 3 quad 909s and 2 quad 405s, all modified with modern auricap xo, mills, PRP, etc. We swapped all component and I used the silver gold for internal wire in the amp input and output. Do you think the new cable will be suitable for my system? The price is lower than neotech and i am planning to use it for internal jr150 and speaker cable. Thanks

        • Hi Dan,

          I’m not really familiar with your system, so its a little hard to know for sure. So far I’ve only tried the Western Electric WE16GA and Duelund DCA16GA with ‘vintage style’ systems utilizing high-sensitivity loudspeakers and vacuum tube electronics (with the exception of the SPEC amplifier, with which the WE16GA worked great). I has worked great in that context.

          I think if I were you I’d leave all the internal wiring alone at first, and first try the Duelund DCA16GA as speaker cables. If you like what you hear from it as speaker cables, then give it a try elsewhere.

          Let me know how things work out!

          Kind regards,

          Jeff

  9. Hello Jeff,
    Thank you once again for the stellar blog and all that you do to help increase our musical experience. By following this blog my personal music enjoyment is at an all-time peak.

    Tomorrow my Dueland DCA16ga will arrive from Parts Connextion. I am extremely excited/anxious to hook it up and begin the process to compare it against the WE16ga in my system:

    Coincident Dynamo SE with mods suggested by Yazaki-san (Arizona Green Capacitors, NOS Mallory, Ohmite Brown Devils)
    Speakers in turn will be my DeVore 0/96, Harbeth SHL5 (on loan from my brother) Tekton M-Lore.
    Vinyl will be handled by a Thorens TD124 with various cartridges.
    CD transport is Sony 9000ES, DAC duties by Eastern Electric Minimax with Black Treasure 12au7.

    I should mention that the Coincident Dynamo is Rectified by the same 5u4g rectifier that Yazaki-san sent you for your McIntosh Mac MC30s. The EL34s are Shuguang Black Treasue, RCA 5961. Belden 8402 interconnected, old MIT for digital.

    Wow!! Also want to state that I love your blog above all other audio writings., Best, robmiki

    • Mikirob!

      Nice to hear from you, and I hope you’re doing great!

      Sounds like you’re having a lot of fun (great gear!), and keep me posted on your results. I’ll be interested in your impressions!

      Many thanks for the kind words, I really appreciate it! 🙂

      Kind regards,

      Jeff

  10. Hi Jeff,

    Thanks for your interesting piece on the new Dueland cable.
    If I wanted to use these Dueland cables to bi wire my Canterbury’s, would you suggest using the dueland dca 16 awg for the treble and the dueland 20 awg for the bass? Or would you suggest something different?
    thanks

    Michael

    • Hi Michael,

      On my Westminster Royal SE loudspeakers, I used the Western Electric WE16GA for both the treble and the bass, and as the ground wire, and that worked very well. I believe that Jim Smith did the same thing with his Canterbury loudspeakers.

      Given that the Duelund DCA is very similar to the WE16GA, I think I would go ahead and use the DCA16GA for both the treble and bass.

      Let me know what you decide to do and how it works out!

      Kind regards,

      Jeff

    • Michael, be aware that wire gauges become smaller as the number is higher. Typically one might want a thicker wire (lower gauge number) for bass where more current may be helpful. But I suspect you won’t go wrong with the 16 awg on both treble and bass.

  11. hello Jeff
    Was the biggest upgrade the Duelund cable from amp to crossover?

    • Hi Robert,

      I’m not really sure yet, as I’m still learning about how the Duelund DCA16GA performs in various applications, and I think it will depend somewhat on the types of other wires you have in the crossovers and going to the drivers.

      There was quite a large change substituting in the Duelund DCA16GA for the Western Electric WE16GA from the amps to the crossovers of my Altec A5 VOTTs, but also quite a large change going from the crossover to their high-frequency horns. I haven’t had time to try the Duelund DCA16GA from the crossovers to the low-frequency drivers, or in the crossovers themselves. I probably won’t rewire the crossovers until I have a final configuration for them.

      With my Westminster Royal SEs, when I installed the Western Electric WE16GA as speaker cable, there was a large change in the sound. When I replaced the Neotech copper wire that I was using in the low-frequency circuit of my Duelund CAST crossovers with the WE16GA, the change was more subtle. When I replaced the silver Neotech wire that I was using in the high-frequency circuit of my Duelund CAST crossovers with the WE16GA the change was fairly dramatic. You’d have to search on the progression of installing the WE16GA on my WRSE’s drivers for my exact impressions at the time, but if I recollect correctly, the change was more subtle than when used as speaker cables, or in the high-frequency circuits of the Duelund CAST crossovers, but much more noticeable than the change in the low-frequency circuits of the Duelund CAST crossovers.

      So having said all that, here’s what I’d recommend as a path forward: First try the Duelund DCA16GA as speaker cables. If you like what you hear, then try it in the crossovers, and then if that is to your liking, then try it from the crossovers to your drivers.

      Be sure you give the Duelund DCA16GA plenty of time to settle in at each step before making any conclusions about proceeding (which also applies to the WE16GA), as for whatever reason, tinned-copper conductors go through a significant settling-in period before you hear them at their considerable best.

      Give it a try, and let me know how it works out!

      Kind regards,

      Jeff

  12. Hi Jeff,

    The Duelund cables appear to be single strand rather than the twisted pairs we originally got from WE. Is this correct?

    • Hi Jim,

      Yes, you are correct, the Duelund DCA16GA is single cable as opposed to the twisted pair of the Western Electric WE16GA.

      Best,

      Jeff

    • Hi Jim,

      Are you talking about the metal (which is multistrand) or the complete assembly?

      • Jim’s talking about how the +/- legs of the Western Electric were wrapped together on the spool as a twisted pair, rather than referring to the conductors. It’s kind of hard to see the twisted +/- wire pairs on the spool of WE in the photos, but if you look closely you can see the twisting in a couple of places.

  13. Have you compared him with other hp câbles. I have actually MIT SL12 (copper) and I don’t know if the Duelund will be better…

    • Hi Juste,

      I’ve used a lot of different kinds of wire in various applications over the years, and as Robert has said, the tricky part can be finding the most satisfying wire for your particular application and tastes.

      My journey into vintage hi-fi, particularly of late, with vintage McIntosh vacuum tube electronics and high-sensitivity horn loudspeakers like my A5 and A7 Voice of the Theatre loudspeakers, and my Tannoy Westminster Royal SE loudspeakers, has yielded some fascinating insights into wire using tinned-copper conductors.

      One of those insights came after Yazaki-san sent me some vintage Western Electric WE16GA wire to try as speaker cables about a year or so ago. The vintage Western Electric wire used tinned-copper conductors in a fabric/plastic dielectric, which when used as speaker cables, and particularly when combined with Belden 8402 microphone cable as interconnects (which also uses tinned-copper conductors), sounded remarkably ‘real’ in a musical sense, providing a natural, vividly colorful, timbrally correct, dynamic presentation, that was full of life-like energy in the way tempos, melodies, and rhythms are portrayed, and provided a very direct connection to the emotional content of the music, and one that I found to be unique in my experience.

      I would come to find out over time that quite a lot of the vintage wire used in hi-fi gear back in the Golden Age of audio used tinned-copper hookup wire internally, as did musical equipment like vintage guitar amplifiers, vintage electric guitars, and the like. The guitar guys call this kind of tinned-copper wire ‘vintage tone wire’ for its combination of musical & sonic properties, and this sort of wire is in part responsible for what we associate as the musicality of vintage hi-fi and guitars & guitar amps.

      Now having utilized various wires with tinned-copper conductors in a number of different applications (inside electronics, internal crossover wiring & speaker wiring for high-sensitivity loudspeakers, RCA interconnects, USB digital cables, headshell wires, etc.), I have come to recognize that tinned-copper conductors have a unique & particular set of musical & sonic traits that differ from those of copper, silver, or gold, conductors that I have tried in the past, and are very desirable musically in the contexts that I have tried them in.

      These desirable sonic & musical traits of tinned-copper wire slipped from audio & musical instrument consciousness until recently, but are now making a comeback in both audio and the guitar world for those seeking that desirable ‘vintage tone’.

      The way to get that ‘vintage tone’ has been limited largely to vintage tinned-copper wire like the Western Electric WE16GA, which has become so rare of late that it can be considered to be essentially extinct.

      What to do? Fortunately, Frederik at Duelund Coherent Audio recognized the value of producing a ‘vintage tone’ style of wire utilizing tinned-copper conductors that is very similar to the extinct vintage Western Electric WE16GA wire (and even improved upon it!), for which I am very thankful (Thank you, Frederik!).

      The new Duelund Coherent Audio DCA16GA ‘vintage tone’ style of wire is of particular benefit to those who like vintage vacuum tube gear and high-sensitivity loudspeakers, and my success with tinned-copper conductor interconnects, USB digital ICs, headshell wires, suggests that it has broader applicability for those who appreciate a ‘vintage tone’ style of presentation.

      I have not yet tried the Duelund DCA16GA (or WE16GA) on conventional lower-sensitivity loudspeakers like my Harbeth Super HL5, which is something, incidentally, that I have on my to-do list for the future. I’ve found tinned-copper speaker cables & interconnects to work extremely well with the solid-state SPEC RSA-M3 EX integrated amplifier as well.

      Will wire with tinned-copper conductors be superior to every other kind of conductor in every application? Probably not, but for those applications that it excels at, I am thankful that I can get it in the form of the Duelund DCA16GA wire.

      The only way you’ll find out if you will prefer the Duelund DCA16GA for your application & tastes is to give it a try and see how it works out. If you decide to do that please report back on what you used it for and your results in that context.

      Thanks for the question, and please pardon my long-winded answer!

      Kind regards,

      Jeff

      • Hi Jeff, I exclusively use Belden 8412 microphone wire which I always understood as being the classic thought vintage studio wire and only heard about 8412 from you – these are essentially very similar but 8412 has a cotton layer where the brown 8402 uses a rayon(?) layer instead of cotton. The 8412 is slightly thinner, and black instead of brown. I use 8412 exclusively for both balanced and unbalanced interconnects and couldn’t be happier. Strong, great tough well-machined, low-mass Made in USA Switchcraft connectors for RCA are also high recommended. One of these best values in audio gear IMHO.

        -Josh

        • Howdy Josh,

          I haven’t tried the Belden 8412, but if it’s the same as the 8402 except the cotton layer, I’ll bet it sounds great. Thanks for the tip, I’ll have to give it a try!

          Kind regards,

          Jeff

  14. hello Juste
    its no compare here with these cables its a totally different filosofie
    on the A5 from Jeff with tube amplifiers no doubt the Duelund to WE is better
    but on an other set “normal” loudspeakers 🙂 with solid state amplifier the MIT could be better
    Its always a match how things work
    but i dare to say if you have tubes and eft. loudspeakers above 100 dB the Duelund would better than the MIT
    and i didn’t hear the Duelund today i receive it and try to wire it tonight or tomorrow
    the cable looks and smell good.

  15. hello jeff,
    at first sorry for you Dad……!!
    I am really very impressed with your blog…is fascinating and totally excellent !! Your system is a dreaming one!!Here in GREECE is very difficult to find such excellent speakers and amplifiers etc.
    I bought all my hi-fi machines seconhand !!(due to high cost …..as new ) and very cheap !!
    I would like to have your help/opinion….
    my system consists of…..
    1.SPEAKERS
    QUAD ESL57 – QUAD ESL989 – ANALYSIS AUDIO OMEGA – SPENDOR BC1
    2. AMPLIFIERS
    QUAD II Monoblocks (tubes)-EAR 509 Monoblocks (tubes)-EAR 834P+EAR834L (tubes)-CONRAD JOHNSON PV-10A Pre
    SANYO PLUS P55 (Monoblock), Meridian 101 (LINN ASAK Module)
    etc
    I hear most with vinyl….
    I am very impressed ,also ,with your first opinion about the Duelund DCA16GA speaker cable……
    Will the Duelund ,suit well, with my system?
    ( If you want more informations about my hi -fi machines ….cables ,turntables etc. please inform me…)

    keep going Jeff….

    kind regards from a sunny and summer GREECE
    john

    • Hi John,

      Thank you for the kind words, appreciated. 🙂

      You have a very nice selection of equipment, which I think may very well respond well to the Duelund DCA16GA, but the only way to know for sure is to give it a try.

      Here’s what I’d recommend for you to do: Order enough Duelund DCA16GA to make some speaker cables, and see what you think. To hear the Duelund at its best, I’d also recommend you order enough Belden 8402 microphone cable interconnects to go from the source to the amps. Try them in combination.

      If you decide to do go ahead and try it, please report back and let me know how it worked out.

      Kind regards,

      Jeff

  16. …….and something more jeff…..dadicated to you and all the ” REAL MUSIC” people that follow this blog….

    ……LIFE IS TOO SORT TO DRINK CHEAP WINE…….

    my best regards
    john

  17. For the Switchcraft connectors I wouldn’t have any problem using the nickel 3502A version if anyone is having a hard time finding the AAU gold plated pin version in their region. As far as I understand I’m pretty sure it’s just a gold flash over nickel over brass. I’m just using the A version (nickel over brass) on all of mine for what that is worth. 🙂

    http://www.switchcraft.com/Drawings/3502A_Series_CD.pdf

    • Howdy Josh,

      Both types of the Switchcraft’s that I’ve tried sounded great (regular and the gold). I haven’t tried the nickel, but I would expect them to sound great as well. Keep me posted on further impressions!

      Best,

      Jeff

  18. Yes today i wire the A5 with the Deulund DCA 16GA
    i just play a few songs and the first things i hear are a little soft, rough and flat as a pancake.
    but its new and i must play with it some time
    and i report back in a few days.

    I sent you some pictures of my A5 Jeff
    they are almost ready now
    the wings are very good it gives the mid bass more body and it all sounds more stable and plays with more weight in male voices and just a more powerfull sound.

    regards Robert

    • Its getting better after a few days
      but not in such a way that i won’t try my old cables back after a while
      but i give them more time its getting better but just not as good as i used to.
      For now it is just fine cable but my old cable was very fine and let the music flow with more ease. .

      • Hi Robert,

        Thanks for the update. Keep me posted as you get more time on them, I suspect they will continue to improve over time.

        I missed this last week listening while I was on travel for work, but I’m home again now and have resumed listening. It sure is great to fire back up the hi-fi after being gone for a while!

        Kind regards,

        Jeff

    • Hi Robert,

      Your A5’s are looking mighty fine with the wings and Klug horns! Can you tell me a little more about your wing design?

      With my Western Electric WE16GA it took them a while to run in, and then they got better and better over time. If I took the WE16GA out of the system then it took them a while to get back to where they were (for whatever reason).

      I suspect it will be similar with the Duelund DCA16GA. I was actually surprised they sounded good right off as I wasn’t expecting that. It will be interesting to see what happens over time as they get more time on them.

      Keep those reports coming!

      Kind regards,

      Jeff

      • hello Jeff
        Maybe you can put the picture in de klughorn blog
        the wing design is very simple it clamps around the cabinets without drilling one hole in the cabinets
        its bolted i can take it away and the cabinets are intact.

        Yes about the Deulund i give it time its not so that i don’t can’t listen to it 🙂
        i got 50 hours on it i think i wire the compete system from crossover to 288 and 515b
        and 2 meters from amp to crossover.

        But may be i must try the Belden 8402 for better now i use copper gold in cotton oil soaked same as my old speaker cables
        but about the switchcraft connectors they are in nickel and gold pin
        did you try them both ?
        and what is the difference?
        the belden is also in the newer ROHS and the old lead content tin
        is there a difference?
        i had allready ordered the belden but the different connectors question hold me back.
        regards Robert

        • Hi Robert,

          I just posted your photos in the Klughorn blog post here.

          I don’t hear much of a difference between the regular nickel Switchcraft RCA and the gold version. I got the gold primarily because I like the looks of it better.

          I just ordered a 2-meter pair of Belden 8402 interconnects from BTPA.com for about $80 USD. Such a good price!

          Kind regards,

          Jeff

          • thank you Jeff
            I contact BTPA
            the Duelund cable is getting better every day
            it sounds good now and it happen in one week
            i let it play and see where it ends
            maybe its a good synergie with the Belden wire and works as you put it together
            regards Robert

          • Hi Robert,

            I’m glad to hear that! My recommendation when using either WE16GA or DCA16GA for loudspeakers is to always use it as a combination with Belden 8402 microphone cable as interconnects, constructed in the method of Yazaki-san, as there is synergy in the combination.

            Kind regards,

            Jeff

  19. Halo Jeff,

    Regarding the Belden 8402, I heard the combo recipe of the cable are Switchcraft 3502A/ Switchcraft 3502AAU. I want to try this combo to make XLR female to RCA cable. What is the matching XLR connection? Can you give me recommendation?

    Thanks

    • Hi Dan,

      I’m afraid I’m not much help on a recommendation on that one, as I’ve never tried that, but I’d check with guys over at BTPA.com, they should be able to make a recommendation for the Belden 8402 in the configuration you’re after.

      Let me know how it turns out!

      Kind regards,

      Jeff

  20. I had XLR to XLR made here>>https://btpa.com/CA-0582.html
    Very nicely done.They were ($80) for 1 meter, took about a week.
    All other unbalanced 8402 I made here with the Switchcraft RCA’s.

    Just got in the Duelund DCA16GA wire and as Jeff said a bit more of the WE16GA goodness. NOt flat or grainy at all.
    BTW I don’t use vintage equipment but this and the 8402 just sings!!

    • Many thanks for comment, and keep me posted as you get some more time on them. I suspect the DCA16GA will continue to improve over a long period of time, which seems to be a characteristic of tinned-copper conductors.

      Best,

      Jeff

  21. Crikey! It’s backordered now until late September. I pre ordered just speaker wire as my WE wire has just over a year became practically perfect in sound. I mean scary good over 2000 hours easy on them. LOL Thanks Jeff.

    • Howdy Bill,

      I think we were all caught by surprise by the immediate popularity of the Duelund DCA16GA. Just 6 days after my initial post about the DCA16GA the entire first production run was sold out. Wow. Frederik has a second production run going now so there should be some more before too long.

      I know what you mean about the Western Electric WE16GA, the more time it gets on it the better it sounds. I suspect the Duelund will be the same in that regard. I’ve also found that when you take the WE16GA out of the system it takes it a while to get back on song. I’m thinking that the best thing to do is put into the system and then just leave it alone. That’s hard for me to do with my systems because I’m always trying new things so I have something to tell you about, but the longer you leave it in the better it gets.

      It’s just nice to have something that performs so well musically & sonically at such a modest price, so a big thank you to Frederik for bringing the DCA16GA to us at such an affordable price.

      Kind regards,

      Jeff

  22. There has been many fans – for many, many years – of both stranded tinned wire in speakers, and tinned stranded copper interconnect wire (with Switchcraft connectors). It’s great that Yazaki brought these products up, and even greater that Jeff has throroughtly tested them on all of his amazing tube and horn gear. Jeff’s coverage had really helped a lot of people out, by raising awareness of these very traditional, cost-effective, and ultimately great sounding products. What’s old is new again.

    • Howdy Josh,

      Thanks for the kind words, I really appreciate it.

      It’s definitely worthwhile revisiting the discoveries of the past, so we can be reminded how truly remarkable some of those achievements were, and how well they hold up today against current offerings from audio vendors, and can even exceed them at times.

      I really like the tinned-copper conductor wire I’ve been using over the last year or so (Western Electric WE16GA, Belden 8402, and now Duelund DCA16GA). I find it to have a really satisfying combination of musical and sonic traits, and to provide a high level of emotional connection to the music, because it makes the music feel so ‘real’ to me. It really matches my tastes well for what I’m trying to achieve in my various hi-fi systems, and I think it portrays the music in a very ‘real’ and engaging way.

      I like it better than anything else I’ve come across, and it’s also a bargain price in the crazy world of high-performance audio pricing, so I’m just glad I became aware of it, and that I can share it with like-minded enthusiasts like yourself.

      Cheers,

      Jeff

  23. Ken Shindo and many others have used Belden 9497 in their speakers for decades. It’s also stranded-tinned copper. And my completely stock Altec N-800-F crossover used Belden stranded tinned copper internal wiring in my Flamencos. Although they were only 20 gauge. Now this Duelund wire is both very consistent with something like 9497 but with an amazing dielectric. Brilliant. The only question I have is running it straight vs twisting…

    And Belden 8412 has been commonly found in many studios and live events because it is a tough, well made, cost effective mic cable and has been continuously manufactured since at least I don’t know when. I never had heard of 8402 until I saw Jeff write about it but it has a rayon instead of a cotton layer, and it seemed to be a little more expensive than 8412 and seemed to be more available in Asia. I’m perfectly happy with 8412 but would be very interested in an 8412 v 8402 comparison. I bet they are very, very similar. They look a bit different with 8402 being brown instead of black, and it is also a bit fatter.

    • Howdy Josh,

      I twist my Duelund DCA16GA in approximately the same fashion as my Western Electric WE16GA was twisted when it came on the spool. I don’t know if it makes much difference, but it looks a little tidier.

      I’m probably not going to get to the Belden 8402 vs. 8412 comparison any time soon.

      Here’s a little more about the description of the Belden 8402 vs. 8412 from the Belden web site:

      It looks like the jacket is CSPE for the 8402 and EPDM for the 8412 as well, but where they are also different is in impedance (52 Ohm for 8402 & 67 Ohm for 8412), inductance (0.54 uH/m for 8402 & 0.59 uH/m for 8412), nominal capacitance conductor to conductor (90 pF/m for 8402 & 108 pF/m for 8412), nominal capacitance conductor to other conductor & shield (165 pF/m for 8402 & 190 pF/m for 8412), nominal conductor DC resistance 10.2 Ohm/1000 feet for 8402 & 10.6 Ohm for/1000 feet for 8412), and nominal outer shield DC resistance (3 Ohms/1000 feet for 8402 & 4.5 Ohms/1000 feet for 8412).

      Does any of that matter? I don’t know. Interesting though.

      Best,

      Jeff

      • Yeah you are completely correct in the data from the Belden data sheets. But… somethings about those sheets had me scratching my head. Both are listed under the general description as 20 AWG (24×36 stranding). Yet, they list the conductor diameters from 8412 as 0.9398mm and 8402 as 2.1082mm. So, the makes absolutely no sense to me. And they also have different DCR: 33.5 v. 34.8 ohm/km… strange for same gauge and same stranding.

        My good friend Chris has a loom of both, so maybe I’ll be able to explore it a bit more in the future, but it doesn’t seem very straightforward to me hah. That’s why the testing you’ve put in for us recently is so appreciated. Thank you!

        • P.S.: if anyone is looking for a good source of Belden 8412 with Switchcraft RCA connectors i used Flattercable in Kyoto, Japan and they can be found on Rakuten Global. Jeff, if this is inappropriate to post here then please feel free to edit or delete. Thanks!

        • Hi Josh,

          I’d really be interested in your perceptions if you try both the 8402 & 8412 as interconnects. Honestly, I am so satisfied with the Belden 8402 mic cable interconnects, that I just haven’t felt like trying anything different. I’m satisfied! I know, shocking!

          I’m with you, I have no idea what the deal is with the reported measurements, but I suppose it could be a simple as being the difference in the production runs of cable they used for measurement.

          It sounds like you’re about to set off on a fun adventure!

          Kind regards,

          Jeff

  24. Hi Jeff,

    I have question regarding the copper lug you use in the duelund crossover. They looks very nice but how is the sound quality compare to soldered connection?

    Thanks

    • Hi Dan,

      The copper lugs allow me to clamp the crossover wires together without having to solder them, so they eliminate a number of solder joints, which I’m told improves the sound.

      I used lugs primarily for convenience so I could swap parts in and out of my crossovers easily, but I haven’t A-B’d a solder joint vs. clamping the wires together with the copper lugs myself. My friend Pete has A-B’d the two approaches and likes the lug approach better.

      By analogy, with the Western Electric WE16GA wire that Ive been enjoying using with my loudspeakers over the past year as speaker cables, I’ve found that their performance is significantly compromised when I use soldered terminations with them, rather than just using bare wire connections. I’m guessing it’s the same for clamping the wires with lugs in the crossovers vs. soldering them.

      I hope that helps!

      Best,

      Jeff

      • I have all lugs too with key components soldered to flying leads. IMO the lugs are a much better go but you have to be careful with wire. bare copper or even silver will oxidize so the tinned-copper is perfect for this application. But the biggest advantage is using them to sort of breadboard the crossover as you possibly try different padding resistors or in-line HF caps etc. Once you’ve done it this way you can’t imaging doing it any other way. The only negative is if you have to remove-reinsert stranded wire they can become chewed up from the compression, but not too difficult just to clip a little of the end and strip a little more insulation off. Done. 🙂

  25. Hello Jeff,i’m from Denmark and i know Duelund caps very well,i upgraded my laudspeaker with the RS caps and silver bypass caps and with a huge lift in my system
    Then i found your site with very good and interesting things about the vintage tone,and i like that very much,so belden 8402 IC cable arrive next week and the dca 16 ga arrive in the end of next month,so im looking forward to try it out.

    Thanks for the good work your doing and tell US all about it

    • Thank you for your kind words, Paul, I truly appreciate it.

      Let me know how you like the Belden & Duelund as you get some time in on it.

      Kind regards,

      Jeff

  26. Jeff,

    I’m planning on ordering up the Dueland speaker wire and Belden ICs to use with my Altec/Onkens and Icon MB30 monoblocks. My question is would you go with longer runs of the speaker wire or ICs? My preamp (Juicy Music BBX) is pretty centrally located, so there is a lot of room for where the amps can sit. I guess my question is which is better in your opinion? I should note that the ICs will be unbalanced RCA.

    – Woody

    • Hi Woody,

      I think it’s really boils down to what’s most convenient for your particular system setup.

      At the moment I am running shorter interconnects and longer speaker cables, but I have also done the opposite with good results.

      I hope that helps!

      Kind regards,

      Jeff

  27. Hi Jeff,

    what internal crossover speaker wire you propose for using with the copper lugs ?

    kind regards

    john

    • Hi John,

      I wired my WRSE & Altec A5 crossovers before the arrival of the Duelund DCA16GA, so they are wired with Western Electric WE16GA.

      Hopefully I’ll get a chance to build some new crossovers for my Stokowski Altec A7’s, and those will likely be wired with Duelund DCA16GA.

      Both the WE16GA & DCA16GA are really good, but I prefer the Duelund DCA16GA.

      Kind regards,

      Jeff

  28. Hi Jeff,

    After a long absence I once again find your blog insightful, inspirational and informational. My system isn’t vintage but I tried getting modern products with an old school flair like a Decware Torii mkIV amp and Tekton Double Impact speakers……tube amp wih efficient full range speakers.

    This new Dueland wire is exciting and I just placed an order with Partsconnection. I was using WE 14g ( i couldnt find 16g) but I’m not sure it’s the real deal as its good but Im not quite getting the vintage sound you describe. Switching to a Decware Torii mkIV amp didn’t help as it’s very transparent and not nearly as warm as my vintage Magnavox console amp but installing all NOS tubes including a matched quad of RCA 6L6GC black plates injected some vintage magic to the sound. After experimenting with different interconnects and speaker wire I found using very transparent interconnects with the WE wire created a nice balanced synergy. The Belden 8402’s with the WE was too warm and soft, using transparent interconnects and speaker wire was too sterile. One of each was just right. Do I sense a Goldilocks story here? I’m thinking the Duelund wire instead of my most likely imitation WE will be the perfect wire for my system. All these variables……..components, tubes, cables, etc…….can be intimidating and frustrating, but oh so rewarding when it all comes together. Blogs like this are invaluable in giving us reasonable and quality options to try. Some those of us without vintage equipment can learn from you on how to inject vintage real sound into our systems.

    Thanks,
    Tom

    • Howdy Tom,

      Welcome back! (and thanks for the kind words!)

      I’ve been having a lot of fun playing hi-fi games with wire, caps, resistors, tubes, and such, that’s for sure!

      The ability to be able to tweak the presentation at the DNA level is powerful, and you are so right, it is just a matter of getting the synergy right for one’s own room, equipment, and personal tastes.

      My main room is a real bear to voice equipment for. If I don’t get a particular balance the musicality falls apart, and yet when I put the gear in another system in another room at my house it sounds brilliant. Go figure.

      It sure is a wonderful learning experience though, and I love it when everything comes together.

      I really love the new Duelund DCA16GA and DCA20GA wire, it opens up a world of possibilities for system voicing, and I’m having a ball experimenting with it. Many thanks to Frederik for making such a great product and offering it to us at such reasonable pricing.

      Keep me posted on your adventures, Tom!

      Kind regards,

      Jeff

  29. Hello, how long arranges August Duelund DCA16GA? I have the impression that after DUELUND connected to the speaker is less than treble the cord with silver-plated copper Teflon? It may be better DCA20GA? Do I have to wait for the 100h?
    Regards Chris

    • Hi Chris,

      My apologies, but I’m not sure I understand your question.

      I think you are asking me how long it takes for the Duelund DCA16GA and DCA20GA to fully run-in. I have found that it takes the Duelund tinned-copper cables to take approximately 100 hours to run-in fully.

      I hope that helps.

      Kind regards,

      Jeff

      • I wanted to ask who DUELUND is better to treble (TANNOY Gold12) or DCA16GA or DCA20GA?

        • Hi Chris,

          I’m not familiar with your speaker, but I’ve had good results using the DCA20GA for the treble connections on my WRSE’s, and DCA16GA for bass connections.

          I’d give the DCA20GA a try on your treble connections, I would think it might be a very nice match.

          Kind regards,

          Jeff

  30. Jeff,

    First of all thank you for sharing your experiences. It is invaluable to read others opinions as we strive to improve our listening environment. I was wondering if you shared your experience of the Duelund DCA16GA with Yazaki-san, if he has tried it and what his thoughts are.

    Thanks,
    John

    • Hi John,

      I have told Yazaki-san about my experiences with the Duelund DCA16GA and I have recommended it to him.

      I think Yazaki-san would like the Duelund DCA16GA, but I do not know if he has tried it or not.

      Thanks for your kind words, John, very much appreciated! 🙂

      Best,

      Jeff

  31. Hi Jeff,

    Thank you for your valuable research & for bringing this wonderful wire to my attention. I have been wanting to have a wire loom using all the same cable for some time. I trialed Duelund DCA16GA between my Werner Jagusch crossovers & TAD 4002 with Yuichi horn & ribbon tweeter. Wow the result was astonishing.

    That prompted me to then make ICs for between my Denon RP53 idler turntable & Cinemag SUT – Custom valve phono preamp – Valet Soulshine vale preamp. Then speaker cables from my Antique Soundlabs 845 valve monos – Werner Jagusch crossovers. Also from the crossover to TAD TL-1603 woofers in onken enclosures.

    The speaker cables replaced good quality cable worth multiples of the total loom cost. The sound already has smoothed & refined with the bulk of run in time yet to go. I am amazed how well this wire suits my system & how the “vintage tone” is just what I have been looking for for years.

    Cheers

    Stephen
    Auckland
    New Zealand

    • Hi Stephen,

      That’s a terrific report to hear, thank you for sharing it with me!

      Tinned-copper had kind of fallen out of fashion in the audio industry, but it turns out to be one of the all-time great materials from both musical & sonic perspective.

      It has been a lot of fun rediscovering this ‘vintage tone’ wire!

      Kind regards,

      Jeff

  32. Hi Jeff,

    I have found a remarkable statement ; “Avoid tin plated cables like the plague”
    http://www.originlive.com/choosing-hi-fi-cables.html

    I just sent them 10 minutes ago a email.
    In this email i also have written that i prefer DNM cable instead of Duelund but this is my personal taste.

    Perhaps they can explain why they think it is completely wrong to use tin plated cables.

    Kind regards,

    Ray

    • Hi Ray,

      I’m surprised OL would make such a dumb unilateral comment, but I guess everyone has their biases.

      There’s a lot of musicians, music lovers, audio enthusiasts, and golden era audio & guitar manufacturers that would differ with them on that one!

      Cheers,

      Jeff

  33. Hi Jeff,
    I did not receive any New posts from you/blog????? Any problem??
    thanks
    john

  34. Jeff,

    I finally tried the 16GA as speaker cable after near 500 burn-in on my cable cooker. Then, I cut them into 8 sections of 3 meter (for bi-wire, later) and tinned both ends with Mundorf silver (9.5%) gold (1%) solder. Once I connected them between my Scott 222D and Tannoy Turnberry using tinned ends with no connectors. OMG, for less than $300 total, they just blew my previous copper based cable away, I can’t tell you the brand, but they had 2012 award by 6Moons. It is hard to believe they are copper cables! They are beautifully voiced, it had a Windex effect to the imaging, warm, exciting, and plus great boost in the sub-bass. I will have to try them on my MC30. Also, I will try to bi-wire and double them up to mimic a larger gauge cable. I will report back.

    • Ok, I am answering my own questions now. The Duelund 16GA sound even better with my MC30, beautiful synergy! So I doubled the 16GA wire to mimic than new 12GA, it was a disaster. The thicker cabling killed everything such as clarity, bass impacts, sound stages, etc., no contests!

      • Update, I listened to Diana Panton, the HF of her voice is quite powerful that gave me fatigue within 10 minutes, so I decide to bi-wire the MC30 with Duelund 16GA today. It made a noticeable difference. The bi-wiring added more foundation to the sound, and it became more relaxed.The hard edge of her HF is not as obvious or at your face. Details are maintened for the most part, I mean the warmer signature of bi-wire may masked some of the fine detail, but it is really hard to tell. Bi-wire is a totally difference experience from from simply double the wire gauge. I can see people will like both single run or bi-wire, it solely depends on the taste. The signle run is more lively and notes are more “clean”, while the bi-wire produce more romatic sound without being muddy and the bass has more rumble to it.

        Griffin

        • Hi Griffin,

          I’m liking the bi-wire approach too, and I really like the results I’m getting on my WRSE’s with Duelund DCA16GA for the LF connections, and Duelund DCA20GA for the HF’s.

          I was just listening to the 45RPM mono version of Ella & Louis Again from Acoustic Sounds, and the tone was beautiful, and so rich and natural sounding, with the bi-wire combination of DCA cables.

          You’re right though, it’s system & taste dependent on which approach will be preferred, but the nice part of it is that it’s easy to experiment because the DCA wire is so inexpensive.

          Keep those comments coming, I really like hearing your impressions!

          Kind regards,

          Jeff

          • Next, I will try to wax my wires with beeswax to see what is the fuss about the waxed WE telephone cables. Now I am studying the formulas to see which is the best beeswax to use. I don’t like the idea of to use just any furniture wax because some have chemicals as cleaning agents.

      • Now that’s interesting, Griffin! I haven’t tried the DCA12GA yet, but I am looking forward to giving it a try. I hope to be able to say more about it before too long!

        Thanks for sharing your experiences with the different approaches!

        Kind regards,

        Jeff

    • Hi Griffin,

      I too continue to be amazed at the Duelund tinned-copper DCA cables. No longer does one need to spend big money on cables to get superb performance!

      Thanks for posting your impressions!

      Kind regards,

      Jeff

  35. Thank you Jeff for your excellent research and experiments to the Duelund 16 AWG cables.
    I am 40 years in Audio as is my job and my hoby as well.I appreciated your passion, your detailed and objective work ! and I ordered them. It is like you said!!
    I enjoyed ,after many years.., that fantastic vintage tone , PRAT, organic performance ,texture, emotional touch and live musical sound. Important ingredients of music reproduction which are missing ….these modern years of marketing…

    I am using the Duelund cables to my GIP laboratory field coil speakers 103 db with Audio Note UK and Master sound 300b amps, Thorens TD 124 II with Fidelity research FR64S and Audio Note UK Io1 MC cartridge. These cables did a magic match to my system as expected. I am so happy and thankful to you and the manufacturer who created them.
    My previous cables were many many many times more expensive…!

    I did some experiments I would like to share using well baked runs of the Duelund wire. I used them the normal way, so one wire for plus and one for minus and I did strip them. After that I doubled them , so 2 striped wires for plus and 2 striped for minus. Then I striped them together.
    I did that in order to double the thickness and hear this configuration ,if will match to my system. I think bass performance and ”body” increased . My speakers are open baffle and needed a kind of ” polite” boost to the low frequencies.
    This weekend I will place the Duelund rest of spool, to the outputs of the crossovers to the drivers and hear the differences.

    Thank you again Jeff

    All the best

    Nikos

    • Hi Nikos,

      Thank you for your kind words about my reporting on the Duelund DCA16GA tinned-copper wire. The DCA16GA (and other DCA gauges) has truly proved a revelation in musical terms for a lot of music lovers, and the fact that the price is so affordable makes it all the better!

      Thank you for sharing your results with the Duelund DCA16GA, and please keep me informed of your ongoing adventure!

      Your hifi system sounds like a wonderful one! 🙂

      Kind regards,

      Jeff

  36. Hi, Jeff

    I’m strongly considering buying a length of Duelund’s DCA16GA tinned copper cable, for the intended use as speaker cables. Thanks in part also, but not least due to your fondness and elaborate descriptions of its sonic traits, I believe it could be a worthwhile addition in my setup. My speakers are Simon Mears Audio Uccello’s (105dB sensitivity), Belles SA-30 power amp and a SOtM sDP-1000 DAC/preamp + sMS-200 network player fed by a NAS.

    Being that I won’t be able to audition the Duelund at home prior to purchase, I’m seeking to get a possibly even clearer bearing on its sonic imprinting. My existing speaker cables are Mundorf’s Silver/gold 1.5mm solid-core wires – do you know of them, or do you even have any hands-on experience with them? If not, could you perhaps compare the “sound” of the DCA16GA cables with silver-conductor speaker cables you’ve tried out? Perhaps you may find silver cables to exhibit a variety of similar traits that makes them more easily comparable, as a group of cables, with the Duelund’s.

    Looking forward to your feedback (and I hope I’m not asking for too much with the above).

    Best,
    Mikael

    • Hi Mikel,

      My apologies, but time limitations means I don’t have enough time to write the detailed response you’ve requested, but here’s what I recommended: Search Jeff’s Place for all references to “DCA” and read the associated posts, and I think that will fill you in pretty well what to expect.

      Also, read my Adventures in Real Sound article where I switched from all silver wiring in my system to tinned-copper wiring, and my Duelund DCA16GA article, and that should give you the big picture what to expect.

      Kind regards,

      Jeff

      • Hi, Jeff

        Thanks for your reply. I’ve read through the recommended pages of yours, and have gotten a fairly good bearing on the sonic “signature” of the Duelund DCA16GA, and how it may compare to silver cables in very general, broad terms. So much so indeed that I’ve now ordered 10 meters of the cable by Frederik, for a single-wire setup for my Uccello horns. Hopefully next week the cable should arrive, and I’ll be glad to post some impressions in the following days – or weeks, if so necessitated due to proper run-in.

        I must say I’m very excited to try out the Duelund wire, although skeptical as well. My Mundorf silver/gold wires (teflon insulated) have fenced off a variety of “competitors” (all copper variants), although the most appealing one was a combination of the silver/golds with Mundorf’s (again) copper foils, which were simply unspooled from a coil normally used for x-overs. The wires ran parallel, and had a wonderfully complementing nature with each other.

        My assessment of the silver/gold wires used as stand-alone is a very balanced, resolved and open sound, though perhaps they’re a wee bit “cool” (not meant as bright sounding) which can give them a slightly reserved and lean character. In combination with the copper foils a better sense of texture and tonality is brought into the mix, but sometimes (much depending on atmospheric conditions as well) tend to be too dense sounding.

        Reading of the Duelund wires in question sometimes lends to it a feel of reading sonic descriptions of SET amps, but maybe that’s a less than ideal comparison. My hope is that the Duelunds won’t be too dark sounding, but we’ll see.

        I hope you’re able to advice on the following: would you recommend for the pair of Duelund wires for each channel be slightly twisted, or..?

        • Hi Mikael,

          Let me know how you like the Duelund DCA compared to your other cables. Be sure to give your Duelund tinned-copper cables plenty of time to settle-in, they take a while to smooth out and fully develop tonally.

          I’ve tried both twisting the wires, and just running them in parallel, I think it works fine either way. I think maybe when you just run them in parallel with no twists they sound a little warmer and more natural.

          Have fun!

          Kind regards,

          Jeff

          • Hi Jeff,

            Yesterday my Duelund cable finally arrived. Connecting them bare wire (which I always do with my speaker cables) and just a few minutes in one is aware this is something different compared to the Mundorf silver(/gold) cables. With Leonard Cohen’s “Songs from the room” album I immediately noticed how his voice sounded more relax, present and natural with the Duelund cable. It’s warmer overall, more inviting, and not least the sonic presentation seems less constricted; the music simply is, very naturally and with the a convincing, more authentic tone.

            Now I’m wondering in which “direction” the Duelund DCA16GA will develop over time. As is I find it indeed very smooth sounding and tonally rather natural, so can I expect the sound to get warmer over the next 100 hours or so, or will it simply open up further?

            Best,
            Mikael

          • Hi Mikael,

            Thanks for letting me know how the Duelund DCA16GA worked out for you, appreciated!

            Your description is pretty much what I have experienced too with the Duelund. My experience is that the Duelund continues to open up further, smooths out a bit, but otherwise retains its ‘signature’ sound.

            Keep me posted on how it works out for you!

            Kind regards,

            Jeff

          • Hello, Jeff —

            A little follow-up on the DCA16GA progression. Over the weekend (that is, from Thursday to Sunday) we were away on a short vacation, and powering up the stereo again on Sunday evening I found the further development of the sound (from some 30-35 of hours on the Duelund and onwards) to turn slightly greyish and closed-in, lacking the vibrant and textural presence I heard during the first hours. That is, until this evening/night (local time past 1:00am – I’m a night-owl), where again I feel the sound return to its lovely relaxed, alive/vibrant and immersive presence – indeed now with interests. Listening to Cassandra Wilson’s “Traveling Miles” album it’s also clear the bass through my horn speakers has become more full and natural, which makes for an even better transition to my subwoofer.

            What confounds me is the turning of the sound via the Duelund cable to above named slightly grey and uninvolving nature during some 3 days (from ~30 hours approaching some 60+ ditto), just to return to form, and regain its sonic strength. Do you have any idea why this is so – have you even experienced something similar with the DCA16GA?

            Running-in other speaker cables I’ll admit to having experienced this before, where the cables start developing just fine during the first 30-50 hours, then suddenly beginning a momentary sonic decline until eventually blooming more or less steadily into their final sonic state. I know others have reported the same phenomenon running-in speaker cables, and yet I feel somewhat crazy exposing it here.

            Oh, well.. 🙂

            Best,
            Mikael

          • Hi Mikael,

            I have noticed a similar effect with the DCA16GA, not so much when I’ve had the system off for a few days, but when I take it out of the system to audition something else, and then put it back in. It seems like it goes through a settling-in period before it gets back to its characteristic sound.

            I’ve also noticed that tinned-copper cables don’t behave the same way on my Cable Cooker as silver or copper cables. Pure copper and silver cables smooth out and get a little richer sounding after a workout on the Cooker, but tinned-copper cables aren’t quite so predictable. At times I’ve had them sound leaner and harsher after a Cooker workout, instead of smoother and richer, and I have no idea why. After some time playing them in my system they’ll return to their normal selves.

            It makes tinned-copper cables really challenging to review, because every time I take them out of the system to do comparisons, I end up having to go through a period of letting them settle in again, which makes quick comparisons impossible.

            I am coming to conclusion that with tinned-copper cables the best thing to do is install them in a system then never touch them again! 😉

            That’s the way they seem happiest and most musical – crazy!

            Thanks for the great update, Mikael, appreciated!

            Kind regards,

            Jeff

          • Hello, Jeff —

            Back with a little, though not insignificant update.

            After playing for a while on the DCA16GA cables from Duelund I felt progressively some lack of “bite” especially in the top octaves. This gave the impression of an overall slightly too mild or mellow sonic imprinting that had me wanting for something with more edge. I ended up taking the Duelund cables off and putting the Mundorf silver cables back, and while it brought forth a better balance in the high frequencies it also took away the more inviting, present and organic sound heard via the Duelund’s.

            I left the Mundorf cables on because I was about to a receive a new power supply for my network player (sorry, no turntable in my setup – as is), and wanted to wait and see how that came about sonically (I had a hunch, but wanted it confirmed through experience). After about 3 weeks with the new PSU I’m definitely convinced of its merits, and that it has changed the balance for the better. That is, the old battery supply was more midrange-centric and with somewhat weaker frequency extremes, whereas the new PSU (non-battery) is better balanced and with a more assured, layered presentation.

            This made me think the Duelund’s would now perhaps be a better match than with the earlier PSU, but a friend of mine (who’s also very much into audio, and has years of extensive experience) was convinced the same mellow top end would still shine through. My friend then came up with the idea (really an old idea we’ve practiced before) that we run both the Mundorf and Duelund cables to each speaker (my speakers aren’t bi-wireble, so I guess that’s what’s called a shotgun config., right?), and see how that turned out.

            Now, I believe this configuration with 2 different cables for the same terminals is generally viewed upon by audiophiles as a no-go solution. I couldn’t say why this is so – I’m sure theoretical assessment would both deduce and conclude this and that – but we’re here to experiment with our ears as the first and foremost evaluating tool.

            Well, it turned out that the dual run of Mundorf + Duelund in a “single”-wire configuration (again, shotgun config.) is an absolute sonic delight. Including the Duelund cable together with the Mundorf gives way to a complimentary effect that is quite beguiling. Added to the Mundorf alone sonics is now a more present, organic and free flowing midrange, and overall coherency is improved as well. The upper bass/lower mids is now also more balanced and smooth, and the blending-in with the sub is more seamless – subjectively totally so. Despite more presence and meat on the bones through the midrange there’s still a nice sense of tightness so that voices are not too full sounding. Indeed I’m extremely happy about we’ve been able to merge the sound this way into a coherent whole that is both very revealing and organic/musical. Brian, my friend, felt we were listening to an SET setup with no sense of softening.

            So, a very nice outcome in combining two different cables in a shotgun configuration 🙂 Have you tried this yourself, Jeff?

          • Hi Mikael,

            I say that if it works good for you, then do it! 🙂

            Some speaker cables incorporate two different kinds of wire into the same cable, like my Auditorium 23, for example, in order to get a “blended” performance of the two different wires.

            All the best,

            Jeff

  37. Hi Jeff,

    Thank you for your kind reply!!

    It is nice to see good people here to be involved with really musical audio systems and share new ideas and findings.

    By using the Duelund 16 AWG I remembered the good old times when I was young.. and really enjoyed music through my audio systems. I have lost that feeling for many years and I thought that was due to age or because I was not very demanding in the past as I am now.

    At those times I used tinned copper cables, as new modern cables did not exist at those old times and I believe that the well tuned vintage audio products connected with tinned copper cables could give that rare musicality , emotions, PRAT , no fatigue and liveness, that most of new cables and audio products can not do.

    IMO that after my new liestening sessions using tinned copper cables, thanks to Jeff ,this is the way to go and be happy again.

    A new experience that might be interesting to share ,is about the Duelund 20 AWG cables that I am using as interconnects. I think 16 AWG might be too much for an interconnect and I decided to proceed using the 20AWG. I did strip the wires and I avoided to use shielding in order to keep the capacitance low.

    After 150 hours of braking in, I was shocked….by it’s musicality, nice vintage tonality , emotional impact, wide and deep soundstage, PRAT , open and airy live sound performance.
    My system is giving me now live music performance with the Duelund cables, thanks to Jeff and I am enjoying music now with that huge interest and emotions as then when I was young..!!!!!!

    With my ex cables of different types .. I was never 100% satisfied and I was always trying to do something to further improve my system… Now I am full of music and enjoy !!

    Thank you again Jeff for all the valuable information you are sharing and for your great, creative, objective and honest research and tests.

    Kind regards

    Nikos

    • Dear Nikos,

      Thank you so much for your wonderful comments! I truly appreciate you sharing your experiences and results with us. I have a question for you: When you say “I did strip the wires …” do you mean you removed the oil-soaked cotton insulation and replaced it with something else?

      Thanks again for your terrific comments!

      Kind regards,

      Jeff

      • Dear Jeff

        Thank you for your kind reply.

        I should write twist and not ..strip…I am sorry for my English.. 🙁

        So I ” twist” the wires to my speaker cables Duelund 16 awg and my interconnect Duelund 20 awg in order to obtain low capacitance, much lower than if we use extra shield,which in my case is not required as I am not facing noise issues.

        I relly like the idea of oil soaked cotton insulation. It is so strange that cables perform so different due to insulation of different matterials…as as well as the electronics due to the matterials of the surface of the rack. Btw wooden material is my favorite as base of my electronics. So oil soaked cotton and tinned copper are a very smart solution to audio cables. Is the first time I hear my system as a refreshed new system that makes me feel young again ,happy and ”addicted” to hear and live the musical enjoyment with all my heart.

        I can not understand why lots of cable manufacturers produce cables which sound agressive or dull ,mat or bright, heavy or light, have no harmonics, no musicality, no emotions, no believability and no colors of music.

        For me the cables research adventure and headache seems that has been ended and I will stay with Duelund 16 awg to my speakers and 20 awg to my interconnects. If anytime I want to try and hear a new cable configuration then I will try different Duelund cable thicknesses, as 12 awg instead of 2 runs of 16awg twisted per + and 2 runs per – and then twisted together. It is simple from now on as I know that Duelund matches to my system and my taste so very well.

        Thank you again Jeff for the Duelund cables honest reviews, your passion for music and for the oportunity you gave me through your reviews to try them and be happy with these superb cables.

        If you did not do all this hard work, I would never think to hear them.

        All the best!!

        Nikos

        • Hi Nikos,

          Your English is fantastic, my apologies for not understanding!

          I understand now, and you are doing essentially the same thing I am with the DCA20GA and DCA16GA, by twisting it. The only place I have to add shielding is on my sensitive phono connections to the SUT, as they will hum without it.

          I liked the oiled & backed cotton (or silk) insulation as well. While it might seem ‘retro’ to do it that way, there are very good practical reasons. The natural cotton (or silk) seems to be more more complimentary overall to music than synthetic materials, and the oil soaking and baking I think adds some mechanical damping qualities for vibration so that the signal is as pure as possible being transmitted.

          The Duelund DCA series of cables has been a significant advancement for many music lovers who are looking for a colorful, tuneful, naturally ‘real sound’ presentation, that is very emotionally engaging, and as a bonus it is inexpensive.

          Thank you for your kind words, Nikos, and keep me informed of any new discoveries!

          Kind regards,

          Jeff

  38. Hi, I’d like to know, as a power cord, can I use both WE AG8, or 9497 belden, or L awg 22WE? thank you

    • Hi Mario,

      I’m not familiar with with the different wire types you mention, so I’m not able to answer your question. Perhaps others reading your comment will be able to answer your question.

      I almost forgot to mention that I’ve heard a rumor that Frederik is working on some Duelund cable that will be suitable for power cords, but he hasn’t said anything about it to me yet, so I don’t have any information.

      Kind regards,

      Jeff

  39. Hi Jeff
    About power cords, the best standard power cord is Longwell (Taiwan) which was used until 2 years ago by Linn.
    I found the information on LEJONKLOU blog . A swedish guy who makes hifi devices and who has the same approach than you , natural musicality .
    I bought some ,7 $ each on Ebay , and they are gonna stay in my system !! they are really worth trying
    Kind regards

    • Hi Jonathan,

      Thanks for the tip on the Longwell power cords, I had not heard of them before. I’ll check out the LEJONKLOU blog, thanks for the heads up.

      I have heard that Frederik at Duelund is also working on some tinned-copper power cords (although Frederik has not confirmed that to me), and if that is so they could be quite interesting as well.

      Kind regards,

      Jeff

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